Did you steal the concept of orgonite from Karl Welz?

Hi Don!

It’s true the affirmation that you stolen the orgonite concept from Hans Karl Welz?

Thanks.


I’ve repeated the following dozens of times in posts over the years in order to give proper credit to Karl Welz but this question is an example of why repetition, while potentially annoying, is sometimes necessary.

In the summer of 1997 I began making orgone accumulators according to Serge Kahili King’s basic recommendations: alternating layers of aluminum foil and plastic film. I’d made dozens of them in various configurations, including one that I would routinely lie down in, like an inverted coffin. I met Carol in those days and our first joint discovery, then, was that a strong orgone field enhances a psychic’s perception and ability.

About a year and a half later, one of my online zapper customers told me about Karl Welz’ website, where you could feel some nice energy coming from a symbol or something ( I don’t recall the particulars) which was an advertisement to sell a small device that cost around $500. That customer bought the device soon after that, then told me that he felt ripped off because, ‘It’s nothing but metal particles in epoxy!’

My daughter, Nora, was living with me at the time and was helping me configure my energy devices by watching the subtle energy. When I cast metal shavings in a cup of moxed epoxy it became apparent that this was a ‘step above’ orgone accumulators. When I held the orgonite behind a crystal and directed energy, as we had been doing without orgonite in experiments, the energy was very strong, easily felt by just about anyone.

At the time, I was taking lessons from James Hughes about moving life force for healing and awakening and he was pretty impressed with orgonite, too.
In a short time I started putting orgonite in my zappers and got some pretty startling confirmations, including a report from a distributor in Romania that one of those zappers quickly cured a fellow of both radiation sickness (the fellow on his deathbed had been one of the cleanup crew at Chernyobyl) and terminal lung cancer.

After Carol and I got together in the summer of 2000 we eventually had the opportunity to experiment with orgonite’s apparent ability to neutralize radioactive material by changing deadly orgone radiation into healthy life force (positive orgone radiation is Dr Reich’s term for that)

Of course I began sharing the orgonite concept as widely as possible, though I didn’t adopt that name until much later (I don’t remember exactly when). All along, I gave Karl Welz credit for it, though it’s apparent, now, that others had discovered the concept but hadn’t capitalized on it.

He got pretty sore at me, though he never contacted me directly. I found out about it from people who corrsponded with him. In order to clear the air between us, I visited him in Atlanta in March, 2003, and we had a long, rather friendly conversation, which ended with his stated acknowledgement that I didn’t seek to harm him when I shared that concept publicly and that I had a right to do that. In the four-year interim he had developed some groundbreaking radionics technology, by the way.

I don’t know who started using the term, ‘orgonite’ in this unorganized movement but it seemed appropriate and an economical term (which is to say one word, used a lot, is less taxing on the writer and reader than a phrase is), so we started using it, too. Karl Welz had apparently invented this term and he hired a laywer to threaten some of the vendors with copyright infringement. His case isn’t clear enough to be used in court because he hadn’t met the terms required for a copyright claim, so never followed through with the threats to sue these vendors. I haven’t checked whether Carol and I use that term on our business site, worldwithoutparasites.com, but I’ll continue to give Karl Welz credit for the concept, at least for the way I found the concept. If he ever, somehow, gets the courts behind him I’ll go through our business website and change the word, of course.

If he wasn’t opposed to what we’re doing I’d promote him more because I really like his approach to radionics.

I say that orgonite changes bad energy into good energy because that’s a very apparent effect. Welz claims that this isn’t so and I don’t have enough science background or definitive evidence to refute him but most people are content to use anything on the basis of what it seems most obviously to accomplish, after all. I’m happy to wait for reputable, independent scientists to catch up with us, meanwhile. The empirical evidence, especially thanks to an abundant photographic record in reports of reputable people, such as are found on ethericwarriors.com, is probably pretty daunting to anyone who claims that we’re wasting our time.

Someone emailed last week to say that Serge King is apparently not happy about what we’re doing, either, by the way, and says that gifting towers is just a way to invent imaginary enemies. I’ll still promote his earlier book, EARTH ENERGIES, because I think it’s a comprehensive, comprehensible introduction to the dynamics of subtle energy and a good, concise history of subtle energy research until the 1990s. Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird also wrote definitive histories and compilations of subtle energy research-- relating to plants and soil.

Trevor Constable, who has also written earlier books that I recommend, attacked our work repeatedly, both as a guest on Jeff Rense’s radio show and to Ken Adachi, his friend, which persuaded Ken not to use our term, ‘cloudbuster,’ but to call our invention ‘chembuster,’ which I think is inaccurate. I later began using the term, ‘orgonite cloudbuster,’ to distinguish it clearly from Dr Reich’s cloudbuster, which Trevor Constable had been using at the time.

Our clear intention has been to honor Dr Reich, of course. His cloudbuster takes considerable skill and perhaps some energy sensitivity to operate, otherwise it can cause a lot of harm, as Dr James DeMeo apparently found out firsthand in Namibia in the early 1990s. Orgonite cloudbusters are absolutely harmless, unless you drop one on your foot. They’re not as powerful as Dr Reich’s version, either, but the distribution of orgonite cloudbusters has an overall better, longer lasting effect, apparently. I’m pretty sure that Dr Reich would have enthusiastically promoted the orgonite concept.

Gentry Smith shared the mobius coil instructions with me in late 1999. He got those from Patrick Flanagan when he was working as his assistant, some years before. Gentry won first prize in a state-wide high school science fair when he demonstrated his small version of Dr Reich’s cloudbuster. That night, the feds broke into his hotel room and stole the thing Laughing That was in the early 1980s, I think, when the feds were at least surreptitiously enforcing the federal law that states that nobody may experimment with any of Dr Reich’s technology. I think this treasonous Congress passed that alleged law soon after the public book burning in the mid-1950s, which was the heyday of fascism in America Laughing

We found out, pretty early, that a small amount of orgonite ensures that an orgone accumulator won’t attract deadly orgone radiation. Apparently, the orgonite changes DOR into positive life force instantly so the orgone accumulator, like the orgonite itself, puts out a great deal more of the healthy energy when it’s in the presence of a source of DOR.

Someone sent me an email asking why one of our most vocal detractors and I are ‘at each others’ throats’ but I had reminded that fellow, when he challenged me about this, before, that the detractor specifically campaigns to discredit Carol and I, accusing us of consorting with the devil, etc., and that I don’t mention that person in posts except on very rare occasions when it feels necessary to give a clear example of calumny. 'Calumny is ‘false and malicious accusation.’ You find that sprinkled in all the less clever disinfo sites. The smoother disinfo sites completely ignore what we’re all doing, of course.

~Don

Don Croft
17 Feb 2008 10:05
Subject: Re: Stolen Orgonite Formula?
To be fair, our basic orgonite formula is a little different from Welz.’ Our reputable psychic associates, who observe energy dynamics directly and work toward consensus with each other, determined that the very fine metal particles that Karl uses don’t generate (?) as much blue and violet orgone as larger particles do. Also, the use of powdered quartz, which he recommends, apparently generates a sort of ‘hot, chaotic’ energy according to them.

This is an subject we haven’t dwelt on, here, because a lot of fine-tuning discussion tends to discourage newcomers from discovering the astonishingly simple adn emmpowering effect of ordinary, ungarnished orgonite, which is what does the vast bulk of good work in the environment.

I hope someone will initiate an equally reputable and sans-infiltration forum effort that’s dedicated to pure research and development!

That said, when I was in Uganda and gifting with Dr Paul Batiibwe (‘DrP’ on ethericwarriors.com) the only metal he could find was the waste generated by turning brake drums, which was a powdered metal/asbestos substance. We made piles of towerbusters with that and distributed them in the droughty, war-torn part of that country. We observed the same glorious, DOR-clearing and rain-generating effect with those as any of us have observed with our own creations. I mention this as an example that it’s more important to use what’s available than to not do the work at all.

The difference between powdered metal and larger bits is essentially marginal, in other words, in terms of healing the environment.

To a psychic, the difference may seem more significant and this ought to always be taken into account when someone asks a psychic or energy sensitive to evaluate his/her creation. I think that the more subtle differences are more suitably applied to devices that are used personally and interactively, not so much to ‘field orgonite,’ but the psychics strongly advise that it’s better to use basic orgonite in the field than to gratuitously add other subtle energy components. People who have a talent for this will get productive results but the rest of us are more likely to ‘dumb down’ basic orgonite by adding conflicting elements.

In AFrica, orgonite gets more bang for the buck than in most other places. Our African cohorts can’t find or afford most of the fancy stuff that some folks vigorously promote as additives to orgonite but they’re getting the grandest results, nevertheless. I’m going to continue to highlight the power of simple orgonite so that more and more people will try their hands at gifting and will thus get their own requisite, empowering visual confirmations because I think this is the shorter path to global peace and prosperity, also the short path to discarding parasitic, global tyranny in a timely way.

~Don

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It’s impossible to steal a concept or an idea. Period. Discussion should end right there.

Given the number of people on the earth, & given that some of them actually do think, & given that concepts / ideas float randomly through the ether, the probability that more than one person will have the same idea within a given timer period is very high.

Past that, the idea that someone can steal an idea strikes me as just plain dumb. As in, "That remark/concept/idea – that someone could ‘steal’ an idea – is so ridiculous it doesn’t deserve the dignity of further response. Hechetu ye / That’s all there is to say on this. [Image Can Not Be Found]

I once almost made an art project out of polyester resin, metal pieces, and semi-precious stones in 1998 …but I cheaped out and used gelatin to hold it together long enough to be graded. I could have had “orgonite” and not even known the significance of what I had put together.

More than one person may pull the same idea out of the noosphere. What is done with the idea seems to be the important part. If you keep it to yourself and do little, what was the point?

“What moves those of genius, what inspires their work is not new ideas, but their obsession with the idea that what has already been said is still not enough.”

~Eugene Delacroix

Plus the fact that there was a company making pendants to shield you from EM radiation who I think started back in the 60’s or 70’s and though they don’t actually say what they are, their description sure sounds like its orgonite.

The only thing that Karl may be able to lay claim to is the name “orgonite” but I’ve looked at his trademark registration and I’m not the only one who believes it won’t hold up in court.

Without knowing it, at the time, I had made My first crude orgonite , without the crystal in 1975… was a required project in industrial arts class at HOLY CROSS high school(saskatoon) when I was 14… ironically that was the year I also started collecting silver!
My project was a desktop pen holder made out of clear catalysed resin and I chose to put 2 silver dollars in the resin from My collection and I gifted it to My Father and He kept it on His desk at His home office for many years until He was murdered by the SERIAL KILLERS in november '04… wish I’de of taken a picture of it as My Mother gifted it back to Me after Dad passed over and I kept it in My glass orgonite sales/display case at My main greenhouse store in regina during the may-august sales season… unfortunatally an MKID W(M)ADE PERK(K)INS of regina broke into the greenhouse this past july during the night and stole My first piece of orgonite along with as many hhg’s and hp’s HE could carry away on His skateboard [Image Can Not Be Found] … a few days later I was renting a movie down the street at a corner store and the sales Girl noticed Carol’s hp around My neck and asked if I was the Guy Who made pendants like that and I said Mine are not nearly as beutiful as this Dolphin Harmonic Protector one yet but yes I’ve been making them for years… She continued that Her Friend keeps giving Her differant ones with gemstones in it and swears by them and She said that WADE told Her that the car accident She recently had was because She was not wearing Her pendant and that He really believed they worked!
Na and I had made a couple of hundred hp’s last winter in thailand and brought them back to canada and probably sold or gave away over half of them before WADE broke in … I don’t mind loosing the orgonite as it probably will end up where it’s most obviously needed but I should have never had that silver dollars first orgonite in there but I always found it a good conversation piece to show Customers cause at 14 unbeknowst to Me I had combined the 2 things together that would become the 2 most important things ,in My life, that I wanted to tell everyone about…. orgonite and silver! [Image Can Not Be Found]

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