I just got the following private message from Georg and in the interest of keeping this group effort an ‘open conspiracy’ I felt that this is suitable to share (my answers/comments are in caps):
Just noticed that the thread “fake or real” has somehow become a seperate thread from the other one I started “fake vs real spirituality”. It was meant as a reply to your post therein. Anyways, no big deal. I hope that inquiry of mine is not getting on your nerves. I’m trying to get clarification on something.
IT’S A GOOD DISCUSSION, G. THE TRICK TO PULLING OFF A DISCUSSION LIKE THIS, ESPECIALLY AMONG MEN, IS TO KEEP THE TESTOSTERONE LEVEL AS LOW AS POSSIBLE [Image Can Not Be Found] BUT I THINK WE’RE ALL DOING FINE.
In my view we are all on some kind of “spiritual path” (loaded word probably, so I use inverted commas)
a lot of us are using meditation techniques or other exercises that might also be used by Newagers.
THAT REFLECTS ON THE SAD FACT THAT THEOSOPHY-BASED CULTS HAVE ESSENTIALLY OWNED ‘PUBLIC METAPHYSICS’ FOR A CENTURY AND A HALF, WHICH IS PERHAPS WHY METAPHYSICS IS A MINEFIELD OF LOADED TERMS, AT LEAST FOR NOW, BUT SINCE NEWAGERS ARE COMPELLED TO SWARM TO EVERY PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT IN ORDER TO OWN IT THEY’VE FOUND A LOT OF GOOD, NEW STUFF AND ARE SHARING IT. ONLY A FEW CYNICAL NEWAGERS KNOW THIS IS GOING ON, OF COURSE; THE REST ARE JUST ACTING FROM PROGRAMMING AND ARE GOOD PEOPLE.
IT MIGHT BE USEFUL TO CONSIDER THAT NEWAGE CULTS DON’T ORIGINATE ANYTHING; THEY REGURGITATE OTHERS’ INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY AND/OR THEIR SPONSORS LET OUT LITTLE BITS OF PREVIOUSLY HIDDEN/HOARDED INFO, AS IN DRUNVALO MELCHIZEDEK’S CASE. IN CONTRAST, LOOK AT ALL THE GENUINELY NEW AND EMPOWERING STUFF THAT PEOPLE IN THIS MOVEMENT ARE SPONTANEOUSLY COMING UP WITH!
MAYBE THIS IS ILLUSTRATED IN JESUS’ PARABLE ABOUT THE INADVISABILITY OF PUTTING NEW WINE IN OLD WINESKINS: THE ARTIFICIAL, THEOSOPHICAL PARADIGM BEING THE OLD WINE SKIN AND THE NEW INFORMATION, ESPECIALLY THE HIGHER-DIMENSION PRACTICES, BEING THE NEW WINE. REALLY, ALL OF THE GENUINE RELIGIOUS SCRIPTURES (THE SURVIVING WORDS OF THE PROPHETS, NOT THE ENDLESS SEWER OF CLERGY COMMENTARY) ARE THE CREATIVE WORD, SO ARE NEVER OLD. sOME OF THE MORE GENUINE SCIENTISTS, FOR INSTANCE, LOOK FOR FRESH INSIGHTS BY READING THE SCRIPTURES OF THE VARIOUS GENUINE RELIGIONS.
My point is something else: Gold is rarely found in it’s pure form. Mostly it’s amalgamated with other minerals and has to be extracted in small quantities by moving large amounts of rock.
I want to hone our gold refining skills.
NOW YOU’RE SEEING THE CHALLENGE OUR PSYCHICS ARE HAVING WITH THE NEW DIMENSIONAL INFORMATION! THEY’RE CAREFUL TO NOTE THAT THE SUGGESTED EXERCISES ARE SIMPLY THAT–THE ‘FIRST WORD’ RATHER THAN THE LAST [Image Can Not Be Found]; WE’RE ALL BREAKING SO MUCH GROUND, THESE DAYS, THAT IT’S ALMOST EMBARRASSING BUT WE’LL MUDDLE THROUGH, AS ALWAYS. I LIKE YOUR GOLD ANALOGY! DISCERNMENT IS LIKE GETTING GOLD OUT OF THE GROUND IN A NON-TOXIC WAY, PERHAPS.
Gifting is great, but we are also gifted with a mind and an intellect that loves to form a picture of the world in which we are living, because it wants to understand what’s going on.
SURE, AND WE ALSO NEED TO USE LANGUAGE THAT CLEARLY CONVEYS OUR EXPERIENCES AND INSIGHTS–QUITE CHALLENGING FOR ALL OF US.
On the other hand, our culture, or “frame of reference” in science, art and literature has been formed under the strong influence of those same forces (the Babylonian brotherhood and it’s offspring one may say)
Sometimes I feel that the “human experience” is much more rich than anything that can be described in an “us and them” way.
YEAH, I CERTAINLY DON’T WISH TO EXCLUDE ANYONE BUT USING THEOSOPHICAL TERMINOLOGY WOULD BE JUST AS INAPPROPRIATE AS USING CHRISTIAN, JEWISH, MUSLIM OR ZOROASTRIAN TERMS BECAUSE ALL OF THAT IS USUALLY PERCEIVED BY PEOPLE OF OTHER FAITHS/CULTURES AS EXCLUSIVE, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE USER OF THOSE TERMS IS TRYING TO EXCLUDE ANYONE.
TOO BAD WE DON’T ALL SPEAK ‘DESPERANTO.’ (GEORG TOLD ME ABOUT THAT FUNNY OUT-TAKE ON ‘ESPERANTO’).
I FEEL A LITTLE BIT BAD THAT LOUIS ONDER HAS APPARENTLY GOTTEN THE IMPRESSION THAT I WANT TO CONDUCT A POGROM ON NEWAGERS. MY ONLY REQUEST TO THE NEWAGERS ON THIS FORUM IS THAT THEY WILL MAKE A GOOD-FAITH EFFORT TO COMMUNICATE FROM THE HEART RATHER THAN WITH ROTE TERMS AND PHRASES. SINCE NONE OF THE CHRISTIANS, JEWS, BUDDHISTS, HINDUS, PAGANS AND MUSLIMS IN THE FORUM MEMBERSHIP ARE INCLINED TO PUT THEIR OBSERVATIONS AND EXPERIENCES IN THE SOLE CONTEXT OF THEIR OWN PERSONAL RELIGIOUS/CULTURAL MATRIX I HAVEN’T MENTIONED THEIR IDEOLOGIES AS POTENTIAL HANDICAPS TO PERSONAL COMMUNICATION BUT YOU CAN BET THAT IF FIVE BUDDHISTS OR ZOROASTRIAN MEMBERS START WORKING TOGETHER TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS UNORGANIZED, GLOBAL MOVEMENT IS IDENTIFIED WITH THEIR OWN BELIEF PARADIGMS I’D BE GOING AFTER THAT ASSUMPTION PRETTY AGGRESSIVELY, TOO .
AN ARROGANT, INSIDIOUS FUNDAMENATLIST CHRISTIAN GAL ON THE WEB WHO GETS A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON HER SITE TRIED TO SCAM ME TO BE HER ‘PARTNER’ IN PROMOTING ORGONITE BY TELLING ME THAT ‘BIBLE CODE SAYS THAT DON CROFT IS A PROPHET’ IS A CASE IN POINT. CAN YOU IMAGINE HOW DEGRADED E.W. WOULD BE, BY NOW IF I’D GONE ALONG WITH HER SCHEME? I’D LOOK LIKE A FIRST CLASS CHUMP. I’D BE A FIRST CLASS CHUMP [Image Can Not Be Found];
That which has controlled us and pushed us into the existing situation also bears the seed of it’s own overcoming and we are part of that too.
In a way one could say “Illuminati’ R us”, if you know what I mean. It’s our history there is no other human history than that shaped by these forces and ideas.
GOOD POINT–AFTER THE PSYCHICS KEYED INTO THE HIGHER DIMENSION TOOLS IT SOON BECAME APPARENT THAT EGOISM IS A BIGGER POTENTIAL TRAP THAN BEFORE BUT I THINK THEY SPOTTED THAT BEFORE GETTING CLOSE TO THE EDGE, SO NO PROBLEM. TO BE CONSIDERED VIABLE IN THIS MOVEMENT ONE HAS TO REALLY CLEAVE TO PERSONAL INTEGRITY, AFTER ALL, AND I THINK ALL OF US WANT TO STAY IN THE GAME BECAUSE IT’S JUST SO DAMN REWARDING, PERSONALLY. I’M NOT SHY ABOUT SAYING THAT THE SERVICE ASPECT TAKES A BACK SEAT, FOR ME, TO THE DESIRE TO DEMONSTRATE PERSONAL AND INTELLECTUAL INTEGRITY.
We’ve got the Cathedrals and the torture chambers as our mental heritage. It’s who we are…
Maybe that perception is very European because medieval culture is much more present there of course.
But I think an analogue exists in all other cultures as well.
THAT’S FOR SURE. FORTUNATELY, EUROPOID CULTURES HAVE A LOT OF GOOD TRADITIONS AND EXEMPLARS, TOO. WHEN THINGS WERE BAD IN EUROPE THEY PRETTY MUCH WERE THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE WORLD, TOO. MAYBE THE THING TO FOCUS ON IS THAT THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE IS GETTING NICER AND SMARTER. WE CAN FIND GOOD EXAMPLES OF SAVAGERY AND NOBILITY IN THE HISTORY OF EVERY SINGLE CULTURE, OF COURSE.
Credo Mutwa says, in the soul a red and a blue worm (good and evil) are contantly striving for supremacy. If one ever gains such complete supremacy, the soul will die.
nuff now said, will continue only if you’re interested in this discussion.
I JUST LENT DOONEY AND STEVO THE SIX-HOUR LECTURE BY CREDO MUTTWA ON HIS EXPERIENCE WITH REPTILIANS. THE MAN IS PEERLESS AS A STOREHOUSE OF METAPHYSICAL EXPERIENCE AND INSIGHT, OF COURSE (AND THERE’S NOT A SMIDGEON OF THEOSOPHY FROM HIM!), AND THE AFRICAN VARIETY MAKES THEOSOPHY LOOK LIKE A CHILD’S PLAYTHING, WHICH IT IS, OF COURSE. WATCHING THAT LECTURE IMPRESSES ONE WITH THE VAST DEPTH AND HISTORY OF THE DARK CONTINENT’S VARIOUS CULTURES BECAUSE CREDO TRAVELLED WIDELY AND WAS INITIATED INTO A LOT OF SECRET SOCIETIES. YES, THERE ARE BENEVOLENT SECRET SOCIETIES IN TEH WORLD AS WELL AS THE BETTER-KNOWN ONES THAT ARE RUN BY THE SEWER RATS.
I THINK YOU’RE EXTREMELY FORTUNATE AND HONORED TO KNOW THAT GREAT TEACHER, GEORG, AND WE’RE ALL BLESSED THAT HE LIKES ORGONITE DEVICES SO MUCH. I HOPE YOU’LL OCCASIONALLY POST ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCES WITH HIM, FOR THE SAKE OF OUR NEWER READERS, BECAUSE OUR OLDER WRITINGS SOMETIMES GET LOST IN THE SHUFFLE AND SOME THINGS BEAR REPEATING OFTEN. I PROBABLY GET TWEAKED MORE THAN ANHYONE ELSE DOES, WHICH GOES TO SHOW THAT I’M NOT A SAINT OR BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE. REALLY SPIRITUAL PEOPLE TAKE LITERALLY EVERYTHING IN STRIDE. I LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING SOMEONE LIKE THAT, SOMEDAY [Image Can Not Be Found]
I’M VERY INCLINED TO KEEP DISCUSSING TOUCHY SUBJECTS EVEN WHEN THE TESTOSTERONE LEVELS HAVE PEAKED. WE NEED TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WE CAN ALL CONSULT WITH EACH OTHER WITHOUT PRESENTING A LOCKSTEP, FALSE-UNITY IMAGE TO OUR READERS.
SORRY FOR THE USE OF CAPS. I KNOW IT’S KIND OF LIKE SHOUTING BUT I’M TECHNICALLY DEAF, AFTER ALL, AND THIS IS THE MOST CONVENIENT METHOD, OTHERWISE, OF ANSWERING COMMENTS/QUESTIONS IN A MESSAGE FROM SOMEONE ELSE <!-- s --><img src=“http://dev2.ethericwarriors.co……" alt=”" title=“Cool” /><!-- s -->