Please See Zionism in Perspective

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It looks to me like the latest wave of Jew-hatred material that started last spring still has some momentum. That usually only lasts a couple of months so I’ll assume it’s a positive sign.

The folks who are blaming Jews for everything that’s wrong in the world are probably getting their juice, directly or indirectly, from the Mossadomites, at least as far as I can tell. The Mossadomites are just one of many tentacles of London’s Whitehall (sometime-global secret police)

Zionism, just like communism, institutional satanism, Fabian socialism, the rise of corporations in the world, Darwinism, nihilistic materialism, Theosophy, corporate-sponsored environmentalism, Malthusian economics and all the other ideological plagues, was generated by British aristocrats, only a few of whom were Jews.

The Rothschilds, who are the favorites for people who campaign to denigrate Judaism, didn’t show up for more than a century after the Venetian bankers started a global empire from London in the mid-1600s. The Venetian bankers evidently descended from Phoenician bankers–the hidden hand of the Egyptian empire, at least toward the end. The masons claim that a Phoenician architect, Hiram Abif, designed Solomon’s Temple. The Phoenicians at the time were still committing human sacrifices as basic religious rituals. Some credible authors claim that the Phoenician moneylenders were directly descended from the pre-Jewish Babylonian ones.

Until the significant rise of the corporate world order in the 1700s, Jews were constrained to live in ghettos in Europe. The Germans were the most lenient toward Jews, historically. Hitler and crew were running on London’s juice, of course, just like every other mass-murdering dictatorship (including the Untied States of America) in the world has been since the early 1800s.

I don’t allow Jew-hate material to be broadcast on my forum, of course, but on the other hand there are an awful lot of otherwise-intelligent people, mainly in Europe, who believe (based on rabid ancestral prejudices?) that the way to make everything right in the world is to get rid of the Jews.

Lest we forget, Dr Reich was a Jew, as were any number of other genuine pioneers in history who have improved our collective lot. So was Jesus

I’m patiently waiting for more people to see the obvious: that the corporate world order is the problem and not any of its specific tentacles, per se.

~Don

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I’ve posted this link a few times but in this case repetition might be appropriate:

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

Alejandro, who is in a position to know, has told me that a lot of Jews who live in Israel are openly opposed to Zionism.

Zionism first appeared in London as a creation and subgroup of Scottish Rite masonry in the early1800s. The newly-generated B’nai Brith was the Jewish masons’ own ‘nationalistic’ organization in England and it later spawned ‘The Anti-Defamation League’ in the US, funded by Meyer Lansky. A subgroup of that is the Southern Poverty Law Center, which is the institution that the feds used to enable the slaughter of all those Seventh Day Adventist families at Waco. The way they got the Pajama People to look the other way during the massacre was to have painted the idiot preacher as a pedophile. The STate of Texas had earlier gone after him and interviewed all the kids but threw the case out after finding no evidence. You can bet they’d have locked him up if there was evidence. Like nearly all home-schooled kids are, those slaughtered kids had been pretty balanced, in spite of their parents’ silly religious strivings.

The late Franklin Press was the source of most of the viable research material into Zionism’s history and activities and many of those authors are Jews. LaRouche, who owned Franklin Press before the feds destroyed it in 86, was railroaded into prison at the behest of Zionists after having been hastily smeared, publicly, as an ‘Antisemite.’

It’s this sort of unbridled aggression that characterizes many of London’s international terrorist organizations, including the Mossadomites.

Having said that, I’ve noticed that if someone is inclined to hate Jews it’s nearly impossible to get that person to consider any of the above but I’m counting on our readers, in general, to understand that deeply-held prejudice toward any race, gender or religion is unhealthy and contrary to individual spiritual progress.

~Don

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They don’t really help themselves when Judaism leaders come out with:

“Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel,. Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat. That is why gentiles were created.”—-Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, head of Shas Council of Torah Sages during a sermon delivered Oct. 2010 in Jerusalem.

what is going on there? I presume he is a big wig, like our Archbishop.

and who are the Mossadomites exactly, are they the Satanists and/or the psychopaths? MI6 may be the top of the dungheap but we could do with some names and faces.

john

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John your comment is apologetic of hatred and bigotry, in case you didn´t notice. “They don’t really help themselves when Judaism leaders come out with…” You are implying that what one Jew does, all do, that they are a cohesive unified thing.
Of course there are “Judaism leaders” that say that kind of thing, also “Christianitiy leaders”, “Islam leaders” that say the same type of crap, ad nauseum. You seem to pick on the real scumbags to represent a whole people and thats just plain stupid and intellectually dishonest. You could do the same with any other group of people, “leaders” tend to be sociopaths, regardless of religion, race or culture. Judaism has always been a decentralized religion, and zionism is a political movement not a religious one. Real religious Jews abhor zionism because it is completley against the core values of Judaism, even unlawful and blasfemous acording to the Torah. The “Mossadomites” are people who work (directly or indirectly) for Israeli intelligence, Mossad. Of course your not going to get names and faces, they are an espionage outfit, isn´t this obvious? If someone is outed as a spy they can´t work as a spy anymore.

Don: [quote:bzvmnqbw]I’ve noticed that if someone is inclined to hate Jews it’s nearly impossible to get that person to consider any of the above…[/quote:bzvmnqbw] Thank John for exemplifying that so beautifully. [Image Can Not Be Found]; Since I´m Jewish I take your Jew bashing as a personal insult, so don´t expect me not to answer back pointing out your insulting intellectual shortsightedness. You´ve done this repeatedly so, thats why I´m a little pissed off. Also all the Jew bashing gives alot of fuel to the zionists, which is why it is completely counter productive. Why this is so should be obvious, but I´ll explain it anyways. Zionist leaders can point to irracional Jew-hatred and say “see how all the world hates Jews just because they are Jewish? See how Isreal´s crititics are “antisemitic” and racists? See why we need to protect ourselves? Without Israel “The Holocaust” would happen again. etc etc etc.” Irrational hatred of Jews gives fuel to these stupid arguments and serve as (weak) justification for Israel´s atrocities, it also helps to spread fear and paranoia among the Jewish communities. This is why it would be in the interest of the Mossad to actually promote such a thing. I would bet they are actually behind all the Jew-bashing disinformants and conspiracy thoerists as all that plays into their hands. John, if you hate zionists and zionism so much, as I do BTW, don´t play into their hands spewing the propaganda they themselves want spread. If you do that then you are doing the Mossad´s bidding.

cheers,

Alejandro

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I think confusion about good vs bad Jews can be summed up very directly and succinctly….Torah Jews = Good

Talmudic (i.e. Babylonian…these are your ROTschilds and Co so-called Jews) = Bad…very bad.

This I gathered from my own research and I could be wrong. It’s best one researches on their own.

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Sicilian, I think that statement is not true at all. I don´t know where you did your research but, probably consipracy sites, but it wasn´t very comprehensive. All religious Jews give importance to the Talmud, pretty much without exception. According to your definition, all religious Jews are “bad… very bad”. The Rothchilds are not religious at all, they don´t adhere to either the Torah or the Talmud. I think that demonizing the Talmud is a clever way of demonizing Jews due to the fact that most of Jewish law practiced by observant Jews is from the Talmud, after all. And there´s absolutely nothing in there condoning child rape and sacrifice as some disinformants say. Of course there´s bad stuff in there though, it was written by the clergy after all. I, personally don´t consider it “The Inspired Word of God” as most Rabbis claim, but that doesn´t make it demonic either. You should analize your comment saying “There are good Jews and bad Jews” depending on what book they adhere to. Its quite a patronizing comment actually. I bet you woundn´t say the same of Christians depending on what denomination they belong to. Or that Shias are “bad muslims” and Sunni “good muslims” or vice versa, (many try to make these generalizations). There are plenty of really good Mormons, Jehova´s witness and 7th Day adventits, which are arguable some of the stranger interpretations of christianity and Masons were invovled in their development. A person is “good” or “bad” depending on what they do and the condition of their heart, not what sect they belong to.

The Talmud is a collection of commentary on the Torah. It is the discussions of Rabbis over the interpretation of things in the Torah. It spans over 2,000 years, BTW , only a part of it was done when the Jews were in exile in Babylon. There are many heated arguments documented in the Talmud. There are some really interesing and insightful theolgical discussion in there actually. Rationalism is actually promoted in the study of the Torah and blind faith is usually discouraged. In there you can find every different opinion on every issue that comes up in the Torah. I´m not very religious, but personally I don´t give much importance to the Talmud and identify more with the now mostly extinct Jewish sects which disregarded the Talmud altogether. That said, saying that the “Talmud is Babylonian, Satanic or Zionist” is just plain ignorance. It could be said its lots of clergy drivel, but not much more IMO. Also the great majority of Israelis are Secular and not religious either, yet many of those are strong zionists. As I said before zionism has nothing to do with Judaism. One is a political movement, the other a religion with many sects and different views within.

This is from Jewsagainstzionim.com who are a group that also call themselves “True Torah Jews” , the same webpage linked above above. They have a pretty good FAQ section which explains THEIR view of Judaism and zionism. THey are an extremely religious group and I don´t agree with alot of what they say or believe in, but their criticisms of Zionism are very spot on. I guess that one of the good things about Judaism is that nobody can claim to be its representative, and it not centralized at all. Due to that too you need to to a little more comprehensive research to understand what its all about.

[quote:3ii3v20t]Michael R.:New Comment Added
Dear Rabbi,

I would like to know how true torah jews view the talmud. It seems to me that God gave jews the torah(the first five books of the bible). Where exactly did the talmud come from? How does it factor in judaism? Are there two different camps, those who go by the torah and those who go by the talmud? Do some go by both? I may be mistaken but from my little research it seems that the talmud is more secular and perhaps where the zionist base their views and the torah is of true judaism. Is this correct? Trying to figure this out has been a bit confusing.

Thank you and God bless!

Michael

Dear Michael,

When G-d gave us the Torah, He also gave us an explanation of its laws, to be transmitted orally from generation to generation. For example, the Torah prohibits work on the Sabbath, but does not say exactly what “work” means. G-d explained to Moses orally that it means carrying objects in the street, lighting fires, tying knots, slaughtering animals and so on. The Torah says to take the fruit of the goodly trees on Succoth, but does not say which fruit. Oral tradition explains that it is the ethrog or citron. If you think about it, most of the laws in the Torah are impossible to observe without more explanation.

These explanations were passed down from teacher to student for about 1500 years, until around the year 200 of the common era. At that time the Sages became afraid that the laws would be forgotten, and they decided to write them down. This written work was called the Mishnah, and is the backbone of the Talmud. Even this Mishnah was written in a concise style and left much room for oral explanation, which went on being passed down for another 300 years. At that time it was written down, again out of fear of being forgotten, as the Talmud. All of Jewish law today is based on the Talmud, and is kept by all observant Jews. There have been breakoff sects in history – once in about 300 BCE and another in about 700 CE – who rejected the orally transmitted laws. But they are almost non-existent today.

Secular, non-observant Jews today are not basing themselves on any Jewish text. They have simply rejected the Divine origin of the Torah and Talmud alike. The Zionist movement, which strove to replace the ancient Jewish messianic hope with a political state, was founded by these secularist Jews.

Thank you for your interest and I hope this answers your question.

Jacob Dershowitz at Jews Against Zionism

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Here´s some pretty good points on the difference between Judaism and Zionism.

[quote:2b96g4xr]Judaism is a Religion – Not a Race
by: Rabbi Moses Jakubowicz
15 May 2008

During the Middle Ages, the Jewish people suffered many a time from fanatically religious governments who expelled or killed whoever refused to adhere to their religious belief. In the modern era, the Jewish people suffer due to the world’s misunderstanding of the distinction between Judaism and Zionism.

Judaism is a religion, not a race. Throughout history, whoever joined the Jewish religion was called a Jew, no matter what his race, and whoever abandoned the Holy Torah was not considered a Jew. In fact, the biggest names in Jewish history were converts or descendants of converts: King David, Zipporah, Rabbi Akiva, Rabbi Meir, Shmaya and Avtalyon.

The proponents of Zionism, for their own political and financial advantage, have transformed the Jewish religion into a race. Similarly, they have taken the Torah, a book of Divine law which teaches fairness, peace and piety, and transformed it into a vehicle for their political goals, a source for their claims to a piece of land. These claims took their latest form this week, when, to our sorrow, the Zionist falsification was brought to the world’s eyes by the media.

President Bush is visiting the State of Israel, and several rabbis of the extremist Zionist settler community have penned a letter to the President, asking him to stop putting pressure on the Israeli leadership to make land concessions to the Palestinian Authority.

The letter read in part:

“It is totally presumptuous that while the US fights terror, it pressures Israel to make concessions to terrorists! In the name of the people of Israel, the Land of Israel, the Torah of Israel and the G-d of Israel, we demand that his honor the president cease the pressure on the State to hand lands to the Arabs… Honorable President, you must not be remembered in history as Nebuchadnezzar and Titus who destroyed Jerusalem. You must surely remember that American does not benefit from causing damage, Heaven forbid, to the Jewish people and its land. If you help the wholeness of our holy land, we promise you and your country endless blessings.”

Signed: Dov Lior, David Druckman, Yaakov Yosef, Shmuel Eliyahu and Shalom Dov Wolpe.

The writers of this letter call themselves rabbis and speak in the name of the Jewish religion, but the world must not allow itself to be fooled. They are radical politicians and militants advancing their own agenda, for which they are distorting the Holy Torah and by doing so they are jeopardizing the Jewish people in the entire world as the Zionists did in the Second World War.

We look forward to the Messianic Era, when Jerusalem will be “a house of prayer for all nations” (Isaiah 56:7)

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Some years ago when in India i went out with a jewish girl, Rottem. Very nice open minded and flexible person. I cannot talk for Judaism in the world and never been to israel but it does seem evident that Zionism is not judaism.
Having said that, i used to discuss with her my views and asks questions. Rottem felt Israel was their place and that they were enttiled to be there like something natural and there was no way she would accept it was born out of a political move building kibutz at night like hiding while taking the land of palestine people who had been there for ages.
She also described Palestines in general as brute people who had no feelings for anything.
Most of the other people that i met along from isarel were in a bad predicament since they were mostly young guys and girls who just came out of 3 years of continuious war and further mind programming thru trauma and probably much zionist rubbish.
These guys worked as much as they could to save money for 6 months and leave to India and blow their minds with any drug they could find and create havoc wherever they went.
They were pretty unbalanced after such life of constant tension. Some Rabbis caught the pattern and soon opened places in many cities in India to catch the lost flock and ¨recuperate¨them and most of the time this was even worst cause now they took their desperation into religion spoken thru the mouth of a snake ( i dont go to catholic church either, they are mostly snakes too)
From them i ve seen Zionsit behaviour of ignoring others foreigners, downgrading others and refusing a foreign girlfriend after leaving her pregnant casue the rabbi said so.
Stupidity and ignorance are everywhere as well as intentional manipulation so i take social engeering is at work in Israel as is everywhere and trauma based mind control must be very strong in general.
On the other hand i ve seen that jews are amazing networkers amontgs themselves and help each other. They are so good at it that they tend to be sucsseful any place they go but maybe this is one the reason why they create much distrust too.
This is a non judgemental statement but i always wonder if that way of doing things when they came to a country and their success, wasnt a strong reason why they were being kicked out more than any religious one?

Another matter with religions and their books. Indian tradition has mainly been oral for thousands of years and it took them a while to compile it into written words.
There is this revered sage ,Manu, who wrote a book about the law of living. He was a Bhramin. I decided to read it and it was plainly facist to me lol but it was a holly book in India.
Catholic church is also not well know for being kind, generous, pious….from time to time you may find here in spain some rare case of nice nun or priest but it is not the general.

Book or no book to follow i am not very fond of anything that requires another Man to speak between me and ¨the divine¨

peace
fran

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Open your heart and “feel into” the act of circumcision on a little baby. “Feel” what it is. “Feel” the little baby…feel the open trust and genuine wonder and freedom the child has. “Feel” what circumcision does. I’m NOT going to say whether this act is good, bad, right or wrong…but just “FEEL IT” from there you will get your own answers.

My mother once said to me “I would NEVER do that to my son!” God bless my Mom. I love her.

love hkj

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i have removed that, can’t help speaking my mind, and it is an orgonite board after all

john

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I just want to ad, while gifting the region around Milwaukee WI, I passed not one tower up. I don’t care if was in a black hood, Mexican, Jewish etc. Jews are being microwaved like everyone else. I work with Jews, some are good, some are creeps, just like most nationalities. I see jews taking fluoride treatments, meds, chemo,gmo’s They are not awake. I guess ALL religons are there to control people’s thoughts. If one religon didn’t, why are 99% of all people asleep? I was sent to catholic school at 5 yrs of age, and realized it was bullshit at 5 years of age.When the priest read a story from from the old testament about a blood sacrafice by killing a goat I was sickend. NO GOD I’LL EVER WORSHIP BELIEVES IN BLOOD SACRAFICE!!! Jews have a long history of that too, just read the old testament! If I was raised Jewish I would have realized it was BS too! Religon = mind control! as far as the Holocaost myth If it was true there would not a law in Europe that if you deny you go to prison, jeez! Look at the facts, those were work camps. If anything Gypies should get a museum

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Yes, Judaism is no different to other religions in that the clergy control people´s minds and it is full of contradictions. I think that Jesus had excellent critisims of the clergy´s hypocrisy also the absurdity of many of the Talmudic laws.
Luke 14:
1 One Sabbath, when Jesus went to eat in the house of a prominent Pharisee, he was being carefully watched. 2 There in front of him was a man suffering from abnormal swelling of his body. 3 Jesus asked the Pharisees and experts in the law, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath or not?” 4 But they remained silent. So taking hold of the man, he healed him and sent him on his way.

5 Then he asked them, “If one of you has a child[a] or an ox that falls into a well on the Sabbath day, will you not immediately pull it out?” 6 And they had nothing to say. "

When the Jew-haters (many of them born again chumps, go figure) say that Jesus (Yeshua) was not Jewsih they just evidence their stupidity and ignorance (or blind hatred) in very obvious way.

However the fact that the clergy always try to control people´s minds doesn´t mean the essence of the religion is rotten as is the case with theosophy. The Torah did offer a strong moral code more than 3 thousand years ago, when complete moral degradation was the norm. A good friend became a Lubavich Orthodox and he´s heavily mind controlled by those Rabbis, very creepy, just like a Jehova´s witness or a zealot born again chump that Orthodox sect is zionist although they try not to be too obvious (zionism is considered a bad thing amongst most orthodox Jews).

One of my best friends is descended from Polish Jews and all of his family that were not able to leave Poland pre- 1939 were wiped out, all of them without exception, most of those died in Warsaw by execution and the rest in camps due to diphtheria. His family is actually anti-zionist and of course they are not making up the fact that they are the only surviving branch of that family (they went to Colombia right before the war). “The Holocaust” has been used for political reasons by the US and British empire with zionists in order to justify the state of Israel. It is also used to instill a sense of paranoia and fear in Jews so that they are not critical of the state o Israel or zionism. Jews have been prosecuted periodically in Europe for as long as there have been jews in Europe, this is also a historical fact. This explains the historical paranoia that many Jews have, which the zionists take advantage of and inflate it whenever possible. The history of the holocaust is heavily propagandized and exaggerated in some cases (for instance the true number of European Jews killed may be closer to 1 or 2 million and not 6 million, etc). However its a historical fact that scores of Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals, mentally retarded, political activists, etc were systematically harassed, opressed and many ultimately killed (by execution or by disease in camps etc) by the Nazi regime. There is some evidence that the zionists of the time actually collaborated with the Nazis, which is hardly surprising, many of them were obviously gloating over the deaths of so many Jews since they knew they could finaly pull of the creation of the state of Israel, which previously was VERY unpopular amongs most Jews, religious or not.

cheers,

Alejandro

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Thanks for answering back and shining a light on this alleged controversy, Ale. If someone here attacked my religion, the Baha’i Faith, I’d feel constrained to do the same. Theosophy attacks every genuine religion, which is why thinking folks in the West generally hate all religions since the hippie days. I honestly feel that all of the genuine religoins are one religion, though, which is one reason it saddens and sometimes angers me when anyone mindlessly assaults a single religion.

People who hate religion based on circumcision, battles during the days of the Prophets and various other social dynamics back in the day fail to recognize how brutal the world was until very recently. The social laws of religions vary according to the requirements of the time they’re born. The spiritual foundation never changes. Clergy and other unthinking people will focus mainly on the social laws and ordinances and ignore the spiritual foundation; the discerning person will pay little attention to the changeable social laws and will dig into the spiritual core for gems of insight and understanding. Each of the revealed religions has its own unique character so if one has the interest it’s like having a bunch of gifted professors, each with a unique and empowering view of reality.

Regarding the conditions of the times, Muhammad’s battles were strictly defensive, for instance. Even though the Muslims won all those battles they didn’t pursue the fleeing attackers and if any of the enemy wished to convert, he was instantly welcomed. Nor were Jews and Christians who lived in Muslim communities during the life of the Prophet required to fight or convert to Islam. Conversion was entirely voluntary except under the Turks. I doubt anyone can argue that the Turkish empire represented Islam, any more than the Vatican represents Jesus’ liberating Message.

Moses had to whip a very degraded Israel–a nation of obsequious slaves by then–into shape for more than a generation after they left Egypt, It’s kind of like how the fascist White Depression Babies in America and Britain need to pass on before we can discard their beloved corporate tyranny, I think. Then the hardy Jews took some territory from the Phillistines, who would have destroyed them all if they could. Evidently, even the Phillistines were eventually civilized by the influence of the Jews because one of them designed Solomon’s temple [Image Can Not Be Found]

One of the better known Greek philosophers of the period praised the civilizing influence of the Jews.

Jesus beat the crap out of the shylocks in that temple. This was not politically correct according to today’s standards but I doubt anyone would argue that it was inappropriate for the time.

Circumcision no doubt had a purpose for the day in which it was required of Jews–maybe it was so that no Jewish man could deny his faith to the enemy? Who knows?

If we balance the civilizing influence of Judaism in the world at the time against the pain of circumcision we can get a clearer historical view, perhaps. Judaism was extremely progressive since it appeared in a time and place where human sacrifice, institutional sodomy and pedophelia, the absolute denigration of women and wholesale graturitous slaughter characterized the popular religion. As Ale’s reference to the quote from teh book of Luke indicates, the times had changed when Jesus showed up and people were evidently more capable of following the essence of the law than before, so were no longer constrained to be chained to the letter of the law.

If we move ahead in history it’s apparent that the teachings that Muhammad brought were even more suited to the individual’s desire to discern reality independently, hence the explosion of science, architecture, poetry, relative peace, philosophy, non-usurious banking, progress in women’s rights, etc., that soon followed the lifetime of Muhammad . Some say that the ten-headed Beast referred to in Revelations is the Umayad Dynasty (the Turkish empire), by the way, and that Muhammad was ‘The Comforter,’ who was predicted by Jesus.

A generation ago, very few people openly talked about individual discernment–it wasn’t much of an issue. Even the hippie alleged revolution was based on conformity, for instance, and the parroting of Theosophical silliness. Notice how muich we refer to discernment in this forum and other milieus, though. I think it’s a positive sign of human progress. It doesn’t matter if the vast majority of humanity, including Zionist Jews, are not catching on. The vast majority of people will always remain relatively clueless–the Pajama People. Even they’re progressing, though, because most of them know that war and race hatred are no longer appropriate, at least.

I felt a need to broach the subject of religious prejudice being advanced in this forum and I think it paid off. Thanks for sticking to the purpose of the forum, everyone.

~Don

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Thanks for information. I always wondered what zionism was about. For the record, I didn’t mean to insult anyone religous beliefs, or death by the Nazi’s. I’ve become jaded regarding any institution. I realize I’m broken. All humans lives are precious, we all are from the same origin, thats why when gifting, I don’t discriminate. Hope paradise gets here soon for everyone.