The Reincarnation Bugaboo, Continued

Thanks a lot, Andy and congratulations for having the experience. Sorry for your loss, though.

These experiences are what we can build faith and certitude on while we’re still breathing.

I"m kind of proud of myself for conducting a thread on reincarnation without igniting fury in Theosophy-programmed people. It’s a touchy subject and I’m pretty sure this is not accidental. It’s probably time to post a strong reminder that I don’t know whether reincarnation is real. If you’ve wondered why discussion of ‘spiritual’ issues more often generate a surplus of testosterone than enhanced awareness maybe it’s because all artificial ideologies are designed to divide people rather than to unite us. Notice that guys argue about this stuff more than gals do [Image Can Not Be Found]

I suppose I can tell this, since I’m not mentioning names, but when my two grandmothers passed it was long before I started seeking answers. One grandmother was revered and beloved by people who knew her and constantly gave her love, energy and resources to people who were in her life. When she passed people genuinely grieved.

That was in 1966 and I was living in Guam, going to high school. The night before we learned of her death I had a vivid dream in which she and I were walking through a lovely meadow together. She had a white bridal gown and veil on. A barbed wire fence was across the path and I picked her up, lifted her over the fence and she walked on down the path on the other side, not looking back. I remember not feeling a lot of emotion at the time but I think that was on account of my residual CIA Monarch programming. As far as I can tell, I had been ejected from the program ('character issues?–having character?) right before moving to Guam, the year before, when I was 15 years old. In those days, I was still programmed to assume life is meaningless and that religion is bull$#!+. I often wonder why I was so happy in spite of that [Image Can Not Be Found]

When my other grandmother passed, a few years later, I met her in a dream and she was in pretty miserable shape but not unhappy. She said something to me in the dream, then entered an opening in the floor, lied down and pulled the floor plank back over her. I had a sense, at the time, that it was her choice to be that way. She had not lived an exemplary life and was more accustomed to taking than to giving.

I believe in the religious notion that a soul can achieve an aware, ‘useful’ state (an Operator?) on the deathbed or any other time if one will review one’s life and ask for this gift. I think we’re all in constant need of reviewing our lives. I also believe the religious notion that anyone, anytime in the physical life, can ‘fall from grace’ and be consumed by egoism and inappropriate passions. This thought is kind of humbling and it probably bothers Theosophy-chumps who believe that they’re God and/or believe that only they are the masters of their destinies. Theosophy subtly programs people to be takers, after all. The ‘asking’ part never genuinely enters into their ideology because that would imply that there’s a God Who is independent of us [Image Can Not Be Found]

I love that my wife has such a good sense of how our destinies are lined out for us according to our choices. She teaches me an awful lot and I tell her often, ‘Thanks for not divorcing me!’ [Image Can Not Be Found]

I’ve mentioned the following, before, but years ago I read (then lost) an interesting treatise by a quantum physicist about how the dogma of reincarnation is probably a crude (we might read: infantile) interpretation of one of the hyperdimensional aspects of the soul. It was the only time (before or since) that I’ve seen an intelligent proposition about the possibility of reincarnation. I hope someone will pursue that one of these days. That essay ppealed to me (thankfully, it was math-free) because I have a sense that we’re each many people and live in many timelines and/or realities but that all of this is in harmony. Some say we’re all like leaves and flowers of the same branch and waves of the same sea, so maybe when a psychic plugs into the hyperdimensional aspect of someone they’re seeing the branch, itself, or the sea beneath the waves. I bet that’s kind of daunting.

It’s potentially frightening for anyone to look at something that challenges our personal awareness paradigm, so I never feel inclined to judge someone who accepts the sundry Theosophical packaged ‘explanations’ for unexplainable phenomena like life after death. None of us have the big picture, after all. I don’t have any answers for anyone, that’s for sure, but I think questions are more important than answers as long as one is in charge of his own faculties. With this attitude one will never be bored or disillusioned.

~Don

I’d better amend my last statement:

We’re all prone to disillusionment, of course. A real turning point for anyone is to commit to weeding the illusions out of our minds and hearts.

Perhaps one of the benefits of routinely doing this is that one is less likely to be played by clever liars. Look at the explosion of disinformation websites in recent years. The corporate world order is very heavily vested in creating and maintaining illusions but they’re only parasites, so it’s not that difficult to break free of it all.

As discernment continues to be more and more challenging for each of us I think the importance of this issue (individual discernment–independent examination of reality) is coming into sharper focus. Remember when discernment wasn’t as important? I do. I think that increasing awareness for all of humanity automatically causes an increase in personal accountability and the need for honesty.

We’re all in the same boat.

~Don

Just came back from Koh Samui Thailand and wow EVERY time I go there the sylphs become more and more profound and abundant in the sky…gorgeous.

I’ve had my share of “alternate life” experiences bleed through in my life…the soldier in Gettysburg, banker, prostitute, jungle boatman, performer, thief…etc etc. who and what they were is hard to tell…they enriched my life and gave me some ideas…I’m grateful.

the tricky thing with reincarnation is it implies DEATH and thats what they want you focusing on. I prefer to put my attention on massive life extention 135 to 1000 years plus or simply immortality. Mention immortality and you are SURE to cause a stir at a cocktail party. But focus on the 5 elements with an open loving and PLAYFUL heart and you are sure to experience some very cool life extention and vitality. The 5 elements from my understanding are fire, water, earth, air and ether. FIRE has to do with sexual energy, water is the beautiful water we drink and bathe in, earth is the clean food we eat, air is the WAY we breathe – particualrly a CIRCULAR ORBIT breath then of course ether is life force, orgone, chi prana and how much of it we attract and allow in our lives with an open playful heart. orgonite really helps in this area and the more we gift the house, neighbourhood, town, city, province and world with it the more we open to massive life extension coupled with a smiling heart…

I share these ideas with very very few people. I believe the parasites want you to focus on death…it’s their way, their little war…yet I think their silly little antics are coming to a close.

Smile like a child if you feel it in your heart…all the best…hkj

I like one word especially in your post! CIRCULAR ORBIT… that’s how I see the reincarnation process. It’s not death or anything, it’s just a new cycle that starts up over and over again. Like a planet that has a certain life cycle I believe we follow somehow the same process, at some point we become an entity made by a part of what composes the universe (the planet is created) and after cycling and cycling again around our orbit to achieve whatever purpose it is we had, we turn back into what we were created of (the planet lifetime is done and it is uncreated again) and there it starts again a new planet or star is created by the remains of the last ones etc. Similar to biological processes, a plant is born, lives, dies and becomes the material of which new plants are born again.

Actually I see death like waking up after a dream. When we’re dreaming, at some point we wake up and the dream is finished and life continues in this 3D reality and we fall asleep again later to have another dream and so on. Imagine then waking up from this 3D reality to I don’t know the 5D reality, then we do something in 5D (help other people in 3D?) and fall asleep again to go back to another dimension.
From that point of view all material attachment is useless, because when you wake up after a dream whatever material stuff we had in the dream is always gone, the only thing that remains is what we learnt and remember on waking up… only the spritual lessons remain. The rest is just maya (which means illusion)

Thanks, Fabien–conjecture can be productive, I think, and imagination is absolutely essential for discerning what we don’t yet understand but the purpose of the thread is to address the issue of dogmatic assumption as a poor replacement for discernment, please understand.

I’ve formally objected, here, to the way that even a casual mention of ‘past lives’ in a discussion is so destructive to the process of consultation and enquiry, like telling one’s wife she’s hideous when one is in the process of trying to get [l@!d](https://web.archive.org/web/20140114192632/mailto:l@!d

Because of thousands of years of crushing dogmae (including this one) it’s become very, very hard to have a productive discussion about any spiritual matter. Maybe I’m an idiot for even trying? Some folks have added good thoughts (including yours) and observations in the thread, though, so I’m evidently not completely alone on this. It sucks to be alone.

I’m not arguing for or against reincarnation, mainly because I don’t know if it’s real or not. I do know, though, that we mustn’t shut down our inquisitive ability or a discussion on the basis of any dogma, no matter how popular it is, nor how much emotion is attached to it.

~Don

Yes very cool. I’d say from experience that dogma and doggie-doo-doo are kissing cousins. The more I explore the more I really don’t have a CLUE about anything. we have a Men’s group here in hong kong and they love it when I use orgonite in the group…I don’t explain orgonite much…but we have experiences with it. One night I bought 2 bottles of water at 7-11. One bottle i put in the room surrounded by orgontie and we then put labels all over the bottle like love, peace happiness…Dr Emoto-style…then imagined energizing the water and played and shared and laughed. Then at the end of the night we cracked open the two bottles (the other bottle was in the kitchen and not “energized”). Well the energized orgone water was AMAZING like TOTALLY different than the other bottle. It was sweet. light fluffy almost…alive. That was EXPERIENCE.

With alternate bleed -throughs of other beings…I don’t have a clue who they are…the more I open up thoguh the more they seem to give me ideas to enhance my life…what that is I don’t know. maybe time is a convenient myth that our minds have invented just so we can feel safe and secure before it disappears…hard to say.

i wrestle with dogma all the time. when trading currencies i am always trying to simply look at WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW. It’s hard. so often we cling to the past to try to extrapolate it into the future…makes sense but i think it will make less and less sense …we’ll see.

GOSH my heart smiles when I see pictures of our African brothers and sisters having EXPERIENCES with orgonite…wow I will enjoy learning from these folks in the future…

All the best…hkj

I would say from my experience that the highest levels of energetic Buddism for example, explore reincarnation so they can dismantle it and dissolve the endless wheel of suffering. This is very very rare but it does exist. There are others who do the same from other pathes. It is similar in a way how the participants on EW explore and uncover conspiracy. It’s not because we want to perpetuate conspiracy. It’s because in understanding it and going into it fully that it can be dismantled and transformed and dissolved. Fortunately we have been given simple orgonite as a powerful tool to aid in this. I would extrapolate too that once the concept of reincarnation has been dissolved we will natually break the death habit and it will be an open choice as to whether death is something we actually want to participate in. I’d say that having orgonite around ones surroundings helps with ALL of this…

All the best…hkj

I remember reading something by Robert Monroe and his various OBE’s that were multiple 'hollow heaven’s.

These seemed to be more control systems carried over by the various religions and or cults (assuming they’re not the same thing).

This guy’s site is a good start for arguments for an afterlife: http://www.victorzammit.com/

Though I have a sneaking suspicion and feeling these hollow heavens are like collecting ‘friends’ etc on facebook.

M

Just spotted this on the Friday Afterlife Report at: http://www.victorzammit.com/week2/

NEW BRAZILIAN MOVIE ABOUT THE AFTERLIFE
On September 3rd this year Twentieth Century Fox will release Nosso Lar (in English, Our Home: the Astral City). This is based on a novel received by Chico from André Luiz, a doctor, describing his experiences on waking up in the spirit world

http://www.geae.inf.br/en/books/ac/index.html

trailer : [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EcOGAxY

One thing that keeps hitting me in the gut – it yes its all beautiful and relaxing looking; however it seems to be somewhat like a day spa… are these wafting around in white robes in these futuristic day spa’s hollow heavens? Another control system. Beauty can be entrancing and hypnotic.

Its back to the old trick of only providing two options (republican / democrat as one example) make you focus purely on those two choice so you can’t even begin to think of other possibilities. Same could be said of a lot of things. We fight wars for Oil for example.

M