The Reincarnation Bugaboo, Continued

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Someone was provoked by my comments in another thread that call popular assumptions about reincarnation into question:

Hi, Don,

I was going through some posts on EW today and there was a post from you that I found quite provocative – i bet you get that frequently [Image Can Not Be Found]
Anyways, it’s when you describe the 3 wrong things most psychics tend to get stuck with, and one of them is reencarnation.

Now, I realise this is not important nor do I give it any thought during my days unless the subject gets brought up, but now I’m curious – if you do not beleive in reencarnation what do you believe happens when one dies? I find it hard to imagine you are into the heaven/purgatory/hell system.
Personally I believe this whole Life afair is a continuous self-improvement / fun adventure ride and that God is … well ok, this one’s a little beyond me. The conciousness of the universe? The universe itself?

Anyways, that’s what I’m confortable with and I just wanted to know what do you believe happens from the moment that one dies.

Carlos

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Thanks, CArlos, and I hope you weren’t provoked too uncomfortably. I only wish to challenge people to think about some of their blind assumptions. I don’t pretend to know much about the meaning of existence and especially can’t say anything profound about God.

I don’t know whether reincarnation is real (I did mention that) but I do know that the packaged ideology that most people swallow around that subject is artificial, mind-numbing and misleading.

A good exercise is to compare the energy of Theosophy with the energy of Hinduism, which it plagiarizes. Theosophy feels like $#!+ when one has fairly functional discernment ability and Hinduism has the divine spark in it, so even if some of the popular Hindu beliefs might not jive with the original teachings of Rama and Krishna it still feels pretty good. Theosophy goes straight to all of the more questionable and oppressive (clergy-derived?) Hindu trappings and makes all of that their central core, hence the lack of divine spark in Theosophy.

I’d also like to know how much Hinduism changed when the Brits turned it into a ‘national religion’ for India in the early 1700s. I suspect that was the Bank of England’s precursor to Theosophy. The Secret Intelligence Service, which was almost a century old by then, had scammed all of the Hindu potentates to let the Bank set up a ‘Hindu Seminary’ in Calcutta to train a new cadre of priesthood for the subcontinent. There was evidently no religion called ‘Hinduism’ before that. I think anyone can see that things like the caste system were not from the original founders of these beliefs but were later added in order to keep people under control. The Theosophy paradigm of reincarnation and karma also sure fits that bill, at least for me.

When the rajas were conned enough by the Bank’s agents, they discovered that the agents had gained control of the subcontinent, essentially without firing a shot. India was conquered rather more by infection than by military domination. This is also how Theosophy conquers minds.

Speaking of mind, the reason I can’t pretend to know much about the afterlife or our purpose in this world is because that information is gained through the heart, not through the brain. Theosophy is essentially heartless, which is why it’s so loaded with mental gymnastics. I think those gymnastics cause endorphin squirts in the brain, which passes for ‘spirituality’ for the less discerning.

Some have said that if one an comprehend the dream state, then one can comprehend our following (after physical) existence. I particularly suspect that our heart-based communications with dolphins are also an indicator of what’s coming next for us. Theosophy has a vested interest in confining our concentration to the physical realm. They collectively remind me of Muhammad’s observation (about disinformants and the disinformed?), ‘They perceive the straight to be crooked and the crooked to be straight.’

I think Theosophy (on the sly) became so popular mainly because most people are uncomfortable thinking about the Big Topics, so they crave packaged answers. Theosophy, being parasitic, was happy to oblige, as Christian clergy earlier were with the ‘Patriarchal Sun God’ and heaven/hell silliness.

~Don

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I constantly question my own approach, by the way, and I dread hurting anyone’s feelings.

When I was a kid in the 1950s the only psychics were Gypsies and they were generally hated, feared and ridiculed but plenty of people went to them on the sly for answers to personal questions

After the Theosophy ‘spiritual’ coup d’ etat in the late 1960s psychics became celebrated and lots of people still consider psychics to be beyond reproach.

It’s a little like how actors were reviled until the advent of Hollywood, then became ‘divine.’

It’s probably time for us to settle into a more moderate approach to high psychism because psychics are also now scientific instruments and experimentors, thanks to the new, popular awareness of subtle energy dynamics.

So, when a psychic starts telling you about your past lives, take it with a grain of salt, okay? I have no doubt they’re seeing something that’s real but it’s not necessarily your past lives that they’re seeing. Nearly all of the psychics I’ve ever known had gone through an association with Theosophy, even though the name may never have been mentioned. The psychics who have relatively independent minds gradually wean from the Theosophy-saturated groups but most of the rest turn into Theosophy proselytes. Being psychic does not guarantee discernment, in case you didn’t know, and once a personal belief has gelled, no matter the source, one is likely to take it to his grave rather than ever question it again. Theosophy’s originators conquered/infested India, so materialistic white folks were relatiely easy marks for them in the 1960s.

By the time the hippie conquest had begun, British Secret Intelligence Service had prudently stuffed the name, ‘Theosophy,’ into the background. The name never showed up in (CIA) Watts,’ Leary’s, or Alpert’s Theosophical feel-good ‘teachings,’ for instance. When Alice Bailey got publicly criticised for calling the United Nations’ new publishing company, ‘Lucifer Trust,’ in 1947, the writing was clearly on the wall. They changed it to Lucis Trust, then. If you review some of Lucis Trust’s authors you’ll see the genocidists’ (failed) game plan, by the way. Spooky. I guess you can call anything ‘spiritual.’
~Don

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Hi Don,

Thanks for all the answers. I have a very limited understandment of where thesophy, hinduism etc stand but I usually have a good nose for bull&$%# whose only purpose is either to distract people with merry-go-round ideas or confine us like straight-jackets (or both). Of course there is very little good stuff in media (books, films, internet) but the good stuff that does exist makes it worthwhile, whenever I stumble upon it.

As for what’s after this life I’ll just have to experience it when the time comes.

Carlos

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I just want to add my 2 cents in this thread. I think the ‘karma’ idea is ludicrous, it’s like having a bank account with God, everything good you’ve done in your life or past lives is a ‘credit’, everything bad you’ve done is a ‘debt’. Like, if you were born with some disability or in a bad family environment ‘you chose that before you were born, reincarnated’ because you had some ‘bad karma’ in past lives to rescue. It’s also a conformist approach, like “Oh, I’m going through bad situations now because I have to pay for what I’ve done in some past life even if I don’t remember what it was, so that’s allright”

I grew up learning and researching about every kind of religion you can think of, Christianism, Protestantism and its new offsprings as the Pentecostal churches, Buddhism, Seicho-no-ie, Spiritualism, African religions like Candomble and Umbanda. I could never agree with any of them. There was a time I thought I was a skeptic, like you’re born without a reason and then you die and that’s the end of it. My experiences couldn’t hold that for long, of course [Image Can Not Be Found] Allan Kardek’s spiritualism religion is very popular here, but as I said, I could never agree with that, there’s no bank account with God [Image Can Not Be Found] Then I started researching about esoterism, I first got initiated into Reiki when I was looking for alternative healing methods, then there was Tarot, Feng Shui, Numerology, Tantra, etc. When I started going to some rituals I got a deep pain in my heart chacra it was unbearable sometimes. All the subjects I’m talking about were all contaminated by the GWB, Theosophy and the worship of Saint Germain, who they say is the reincarnation of the father of Jesus. As far as I know, Saint Germain was a creepy historical figure, I could never accept him as a ‘master’, I was there to learn the esoteric teachings hoping I would find something good among the new age cr@ap and their ‘masters of the 7 rays’.

I got rid of everything, including my tarot cards, I burnt and buried them all. The only thing I couldn’t get rid of were my ‘sacred’ crystals, amethysts and stones. I thought they belonged to Earth long before the GWB or other parasitic entities took over. I decided to cleanse them by placing them all inside an old alluminium cake mold and putting my homemade SP on top of them and some orgonite surrounding it. As soon as I placed the SP I saw a big dark smoke coming out of the cake mold and the crystals, I first thought I had caused a short cirtuit in the zapper. Then I noticed there was no short circuit, and no actual ‘smoke’, maybe some etheric dark smoke. I considered it as the cleansing work was successfull and I still keep those stones and crystals.

I don’t know about reincarnation, but I think if some spirits fall for it they’re in a scam! A GWB, theosophical society or whatever scam! God doesn’t need ‘bank accounts’ like the karma stuff. I personally agree with the law of attraction, what your mind is up to is what you’ll get. Even if we have a good heart and good intentions, if we fear evil it may come to us, we attracted it by fearing them. I don’t believe in ressurection either, all I know is there are spirits after the body is gone.

By the way, I just want to mention a Matthew Delooze article about his near death experience http://www.oneballmedia.com/no……l:a8qjouvn
It’s worth reading.

And a long article some years ago by Steve Gamble about reiki.
http://www.equilibrauk.com/shop1.shtml:a8qjouvn

I don’t take those words for granted, they’re part of my personal research, I can agree or disagree with them, but they have a point and I respect what they have to say.

Andrea

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Hm, interesting. It is great that this person in Andrea’s post can remember very clearly what happened during his NDE. I had two myself but very brief experiences and the first one was quite some time ago and what I remember from that one is the awful feeling when I came back, and I looked at the people around me and I had no idea who they were, it was really just a few seconds but that terror I felt was really terrible (of course they were people I knew). The second time was quite different and very exciting, actually, and I just remember this amazing speed with which I was proceeding and when I came back, I just wanted to shout, “you people have no idea what I just went through!!” That was at the dentist, BTW and they told me that they were quite freaked out because my face just turned into this very dead expression and ash color. Well I did not even try to explain my experience to them, and even if I did, it would have been difficult to put into words, as it it now too. So these are the two things I remember very clearly, from the first time the feeling of terror when coming back, and from the 2nd time the amazing speed and sensations I was experiencing at the same time.

I’m not particularly curious as what will happen when I die, however just like this person in the NDE, I do worry about what will happen to all those who depend on me and feel responsible, so hopefully when I die, it will be at such a point when they can take care of themselves, or there will be someone to take care of them (like in the case of my cats).

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Is the core teaching of Vedanta (‘hinduism’, ‘hindu’ being a word to relate to the people arriving from Indus river at that time, buddhism etc. cults and traditions from that vast land and region) not to become free from the false sense of self? The joke of it all in this sense is then, that once one, according to these very scriptures, becomes enlightened, there will be no one to re-incarnate. But if this ‘I’ is merely illusion, the whole concept of samsara loses its logic. Because illusion does not exist for in the first place. Consider that. [Image Can Not Be Found] I had an experience years back when my sensory reality collapsed (with no influence of external push, hallusinogens etc.), I started seeing matrix kind of marks and signs, my sensory reality being de-coded until there was nothing left. Whilst in the state of no mind nor thoughts, the only existing was a connection to the source of universal mind. That was the only thing I could ‘identify’ with. Then the first thoughg occurred. There is no one to re-incarnate, just a living constant connection to the source.

I think the experiences people at times have of being someone else may very well have to do with the memory of the water (Masaru Emoto etc.) of which our bodies are mainly made of (up to 80%). Otherwise this one earhtly round is enough for me. Just do it in Enochian way, for he was not because God took him. In other words, do your best to the point you reach perfection. The physical pre-death departure of course has been reported in many different traditions, so what matters most is one’s direct connection to the Source, God. The universe is big, thinking that we need many rounds here as if heavenly planes offer no possibilities is like thinking the sun revolves around the earth in this respect.

Pekka

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Interesting stuff that. I have a psychic friend here who I feel is heartfealt good and positive, but she totally “swears by theosophy” and all that stuff. Weird.
I have even done 3 past life regression sessions with her and found it quite interesting as these were pictures or “memories” I came up with by myself. And it fealt integrating or healing to re-live these.
She said openly that theosophy gives her an intellectual background to answer “rightbrained” questions to what she intuitively feels.
So I take home this book “Isis unveiled” by the “ominous” Madame Blavatsky and try to read it. But I can’t. It’s like a total drain of energy that comes from these books. I had the same feeling when I tried reading some very esoteric stuff by Rudolf Steiner that Kelly gave me.
Are we making it too easy on ourselves when it comes to these questions?
I feel the question what happens when we die is a legitimate one…
I like what Pekka said in this thread.
BTW the lady enjoys orgonite like a child.
Georg

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There is this joke a man dies and goes to heaven. Saint Peter welcomes him in and shows around abit. They arrive at a corridor that has many doors. While walking Peter tells that each room is reserved for a different religion. Catholics, protestants, muslims, jews etc. In the end of the corridor, Peter suddenly becomes a bit nervous, takes off his sandals and tip toes, carefully passing the door, gesturing the man to do the same.

After they have passed the last door the man asks Peter what’s behind the door.

Peter replies, ‘theosophists who are having a lecture about what heaven is like…’

I guess that goes with anthroposophists too.

Seriously, doesn’t matter too much what you believe in if you don’t follow it with your heart and action. Of course, if what you believe is also true it helps alot. This however is a subject of endless debate as we are all different. Just tap into the Source of our reality, God, to get a few answers without being fanatic about it. As pointed out previously in this thread, pure heartedness is a characteristic we all respect.

Pekka

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I’m getting a lot of juice from this discussion, thanks folks. I hope our readers are also getting sparked to look at some basic assumptions. I rather enjoy not feeling compelled to have or provide the Big Answers. It’s a hell of a terrific ride through here without that.

The near death experiences might be our most direct evidence that life is not restricted to time/space coordinates. My favorite NDE guy is Danion Brinkley, as I’ve probably mentioned too many times already.

Lots of us have had out-of-body experiences, which may be closely related to near death ones. I admire folks like my wife who can do that effortlessly and without a sense of risk. My own occasional out of body experiences were not entirely pleasant but I’m not in a hurry to live exclusively in the etheric realms, after all. I’m grateful for the psychics in the chats who go out there each week to find out what the bad guys are up to so we can confound and trip them up, hopefully preventing more mass murder events.

That’s a terrific joke, Pekka. Reminds me of two more. The first is a version of yours and the last door was to a room full of Christians who ‘like to think they’re the only ones up here,’ and the second: a Unitarian arrives at a fork in the road; one sign points to ‘Knowledge of God,’ and the other, ‘Talking about God.’ Which way did he go?
Carol went through a similar seeking phase to Andrea’s, long before I met her. I think we benefit profoundly from exercising our discernment that way.

~Don

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reminds me of one more joke:

A man dies and comes to hell. The devil shows him around and he sees people dancing, drinking an having fun.
As they go along, he hears painful cries from behind a door. The man asks the devil what is happening behind there and the devil says:“Oh, that is just the fundamentalist christians, they like it to be tortured… we give them wat they want”

Manfred

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Yes I find this discussion “juicifying” and enriching too. It’s really incredible how many “ways” there are and how discernment is a living breathing evolving thing in my experience. There are plenty of Chinese here that think that my use of orgonite in combination with Qi Gong is “Cheezey” (crazy in cantonese)…magnets too. Then now I use my orgone howitzer in my Qi Gong practice and well it’s delightful but I’m sure that if I shared that with some folks they would think I was “extra double cheezey!”

Maybe much of what we explore and uncover is like breathing where we take a bit of oxygen and discard many of the other gases. I don’t think there is any real pure information out there…what I mean by that is that even in the orgonite movement we have the “tag along” parasites with Orgonite.info – they had me fooled for the longest time, but I got some good ideas from their website and videos so no big deal – hmm maybe hard to say.

Someone posted info from Harley Swiftdeer Reagan in another thread. Frankly the moment I was exposed to Quodoushka, I felt something authentic and genuine about it.

http://www.context.org/ICLIB/I……Reagan.htm

But it’s certainly not for everyone. Meeting your “fire woman” certainly is very healing for a man.

I’ve dealt with a few psychics in my day and one thing I noticed right away in my correspondence with Dooney was just how “clear and uncluttered” it felt – like a spring breeze or the delight of watching a hummingbird. Very rare. She probably let go of her “theosophy training wheels” a long time ago. Yet like all of us she is human.

The other day I popped onto Rense for a look and Alex Jones too. It felt strange…I felt the websites with my heart and they felt odd and quite uninteresting. They felt like something that I had done before (like dragon boating) but now are completely of no interest. But I do feel they serve their purpose in the blossoming of human awareness, but thats my opinion and maybe I just haven’t let go enough…again hard to say.

some people feel orgonite…others don’t. One of my Qi gong instructors said’ thanks for the rock" when i gifted it to her…thats fine…who cares no problemo…then other peole went “holy smokes what is that stuff?!” quite interesting.

hkj

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A man died and went to Heaven. He liked to drink some beers when he was alive and he decided to open a pub in Heaven and talked to God about it and God allowed him to do so. His pub was very successful and he thought about expanding his business and open a branch in Hell. God allowed him to do so, so he spoke to the Devil and he opened a pub in Hell. His pub in Hell was a total failure, no clients, and he broke “down there”. He asked the Devil why his business enterprise in Hell failed while his pub in Heaven was always full of clients. The Devil replied: they’re all Evangelicals here, they don’t drink! That’s a local Catholic joke, of course
Well, all I know is that when we die we’re not immediately going back to ‘The Source’, ‘Infinite Counsciousness’ or whatever they call it. At least not most of us. If that was the case, there were no spirits trapped in black magick in symbolic places like the Ipiranga monument, one of the first places I gifted in Sao Paulo, for instance. Or lost souls trapped in cemeteries, haunted houses and so on. But there are, as I think there may have ‘lost spirits’ trapped into theosophical teachings believing they must reincarnate on and on to pay for their sins, I mean, karmas, and ‘evolute’. Allan Kardek’s teachings talks a lot about how a spirit must reincarnate many times to ‘evolute’, go to schools while they’re in the spiritual realm and so on. Not very different from the ‘Evolution Theory’ by Charles Darwin taken to the spiritual realm. It seems the more past lives you had the more ‘evoluted’ you are. They say you have ‘only reincarnated 14 times or so you’re still a young spirit, you should still reincarnate more in order to be an old and wise spirit’. I was told that, that I’m a young spirit because I had only reincarnated 14 times…

Ok, where a young spirit who had only incarnated once comes, for instance? From where the spirits who should reincarnate a thousand times until they ‘evolute and become wise and worthy of God’ come from? And if the resurrection theory is right, from where come so many spirits and what happens to people whose bodies were eaten by lions? Will the lion’s cr@ap turn into a human body again? It doesn’t make sense either;-)

David Icke is a conspiracy researcher I always respected, not for the details, but for the big picture. He was the first one to give me the heads up about Infinite Counsciosness and so on by reading his books, even the ones he wrote before he started talking about the reptilians. Alex Jones and Rense also gave me big details about the Illuminati and so on, but I always thought Icke is way beyond them. I learnt a lot from him. Ken Adachi’s website was where I first read about orgonite, and where I first read Don and Carol Croft’s adventures, and where I started researching about how to make orgonite.

It was in 2008, when I was so fed up about the Illuminati, conspiracy and so on, and I saw orgonite as a way to fight it. I was so fed up of seeing towers every quarter of a mile everywhere I went. I’ve already translated some Icke’s texts into Portuguese so my Brazilian fellows could read it, but belonging to open forums is really disappointing. Even the guy who started a great Brazilian Portuguese speaking conspiracy website and forum gave up with so much interference.

Well, I researched about how to make orgonite before I could order a piece from some vendor. My first HHg came in the mail a month later I had gathered material to make my own HHG. A neighbor of mine provided me brass shavings for free, and due to what I was working at the time I was able to find 1 kg resin cans at wholesale prices [Image Can Not Be Found] They were expensive comparing to the deal I made with 20 kilos galons of resin, but it was my fist step.

At that time I was inspired by an Icke’s article that said it’s not enough to know about the conspiracy, we should do something to fight it. I wonder why if he knows about orgonite he never mentions it in his articles of whatever.

Well, I don’t mind. I take everything good I’ve learnt from him but I must go on.

I know I went a bit off topic in this post. What’s really going on is beyond our theories or our imagination, and I have no idea of what it is. No truths to share, just comments about my personal experiences.

I see Dooney’s teachings theosophical free. It’s all about regaining our mind’s power, I’m up to it, boosting and dowsing.

Andrea

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What’s a soul, spirit, mental thought pattern projected, intelligence, when talking of substance? I know a man who spent over a decade in different buddhist monasteries in the east, although he’s not a buddhist today anymore. The interesting thing in this is, as he said, after having experienced the enlightenment and talking with a good number of leading senior monks of different monasteries, those who had experienced the enlightenment themselves doubted the realness of reincarnation. How interesting is that, concidering the importance of the concept in the eastern belief system?

What was its role in ancient times, the original meaning in the mother language who knows. Nir-vana however means, no forest (nir=no, vana=forest) in sanskrit, or as I like to put it, to see the forest from the trees.

My point is, trying to keep it open, what is the real substance of things we see? When talking in terms of psi-sight, is what can be perceived as a deceased really the person or something that is still going on, perhaps the mental thought pattern being used by another form of intelligence? Or what is purely our own psi-sense continuum with not too much truth based reality continuum in it.

I used to believe in reincarnation and that stuff (the concept brought to west by theosophy movement, although versions of it have been accepted by some people long ago), before my own experience which completely washed away the possibility of its existence in the way it is commonly believed. Still trying to keep myself open and not dogmatic but the current versions of why it should exist do not compete with what I have seen and experienced.

Everyone has their own experiences and we build our understanding of reality according to that. There’s no arguing in this because that does not necessarily help too much.

The reason we are here, commonly understood by spiritually open people has to do with development. I think the past has a lot to offer, and even though I do not personally believe my soul has to learn everything on this planet, we still have genetic memory, water being carrier of knowledge and a lot of stuff like that. I tend to think God can equip us with some experiences other people have had in the past in order to help us adjust our values to better give our best in choosing how to live our life. In other words, having a feeling of being another person who lived in the past might in this way be just building material God is using to help us deal with different situations. There is necessarily no need to identify yourself with that image or ‘memory’. Here we come to the subject of identity. Are we what we eat, think and feel? The whole point of samsara is in trying to stop identifying with false ego, whatever we think that is. Some think we are everything, which in a sense is of course true. From a more humoristic point of view, there is a medical term for someone who believes that he is more than one person [Image Can Not Be Found];

One and many, what’s the substance in it. Tricky questions, thank God life is not too easy.

I think you get most juice out of life when you want to dig deeper for more profound answers. At least, in this way you get pass those spiritual booby traps set by whatever. Tap to the source and surrender, there has to be something in reality that keeps it together and in function, let alone in harmony and developing. There’s pureness in that we may want to respect and consider holy. Something that was and has been from since everything started and earlier even. That’s something really. And we are of it too.

For me, the Absolute that contains everything must contain also personality because that of course has to be included with everything, otherwise it would not be everything. And we are on our way encountering this. it can happen anytime and happens most of the time, but I am now talking of the experience when that will be all. I’ve had some profound revelations from above, real heaven stuff from the spirit world if you like, which I know from its changing power and long lasting effect. I put a lot weight on this kind of experiences and really rejoice whenever someone receives something like this, totally spontaneous divine vision.

I wish you shall get a lot of that. Meanwhile prepare and rejoice for it coming. That’s what we all wil be given because God is good. In my understanding, if nothing else.

Peace,

Pekka

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A man dies and goes to Heaven. St. Peter opens the Gates for him and shows him around: people are happy, enjoying themselves, relaxed. He meets jews, buddhists, muslims, orthodox cristians, and all kinds of religions, big
and small, except for catholics. So he asks St. Peter what happened to all the catholics…

  • Oh, they’re over there – and he points to a big wall surrounding a smaller piece of Heaven – they like to think they’re the only ones in here.

To me being ‘here’ has been about development, only the before and the after I was wondering about. I had more dogmatic ideas about it in the past but it slowly fades, loses importance – the neat, smooth, spoon-fed ideas eventually peel off like old skin… It’s good to be challenged!

Very interesting replies from everyone: I’ll be sure sure to be more ‘provoked’ in the future
Carlos

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talking of religion, this is my favourite quote of all time, funny and perceptive: “Puritanism: the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, is having a good time.”-- – H.L. Mencken

and one from don juan: “Churches are monuments to self importance.” I got a lesson in that when I went to gift Westminster Abbey. Killing time before it opened I had a look at the huge Quaker building, where there was just one little old lady, who showed me around. The room they use for worship/prayer etc could have been any room in any building, no trappings of religion visible that I recall. I then went into the Abbey which is a paeon to the trappings of religion, visible in the clothes and manner of the priests, the tombs, and all the symbols.

the other one I like goes something like this: “The white man goes into his church to talk about Jesus, the Indian goes into his teepee to talk to Jesus.” The bigger your bible, the better to talk.

I like the 2 main laws that Swifdeer mentioned: “everything is born of woman, and nothing should be done to hurt the children.” Everthing is being done to hurt the children at the present moment in time, all by design: Circumcision, Caesarians, early cord clamping, removing the father, vaccination, bottlefeeding, junk food, no touch rules (some even advocate not looking your baby in the eye at times) etc. Anything to break mother-child bonding which is the bedrock of a happy child and society. Then religion kicks in by prohibiting pre-marital sex, another marker for hostile societies as shown by Prescott http://whale.to/a/prescott_h.html

"I’m reminded of a debate the famous pediatrician Robert Mendelsohn, MD had with a psychiatrist. The panellist asked them about the Family Bed (everyone sleeping together). “It’s a terrible idea,” said the psychiatrist. “I’d never sleep with my children. It fosters dependency, it confuses them sexually, it’s just plain wrong.” The moderator asked if Dr. Mendelsohn would care to respond. “I agree with the psychiatrist,” said Dr. Mendelsohn. “Psychiatrists should not sleep with their children. But for everyone else, it’s just wonderful. I gives infants the warmth and security they seek. It enhances emotional health and it brings the family closer.”–Ted Koren DC

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Here’s my two cents on the topic of reincarnation and the afterlife.

I’ve been seeing and communicating with various spirits and entities, good and bad since early childhood. From what I’ve been able to discern, I don’t think there’s such a thing as a set system. There are multiple incarnations, but not reincarnation – there are no old souls or young souls really, and those forced to reincarnate a lot are not the wiser for it; they’re often the gullible ones and usually goaded to do so by negative “overlord” entities. There are higher dimensions like heavens, but most of the heavens and hells people in 3d think of are created by parasitic 4d beings and above to trick ignorant souls – Max Freedom Long has written about this, and according to him, there are no kahunas in these heavens or hells for that very reason. Spirits also choose to stay here or come back as guardian spirits or nature spirits.

The answer is all of the above, and it’s our choice, or more accurately, our higher self’s choice as to what we should do or what is good for us at the time. It’s a big universe out there with a lot of variety, and the afterlife seems to be no different. We also always have some measure of choice, even if we don’t remember or don’t think we do. An automatic system like reincarnation or heaven and hell would only be tyrannical and cruelly fatalistic at best.

Notice how most genuinely liberating movements or beliefs end up getting trashed by fatalism. For instance, Protestantism’s break with the Catholic Church, that helped bring about the end of the Dark Ages, devolved into Calvinism and predestination. The same could be said for reincarnation’s effect on Hinduism and Buddhism.

I hope this helps.

-Clay

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Thx, Clay–it’s always helpful to provide a personal view.

In my conversations with skilled psychics whom I know better than I know you, at present, I’ve gotten no direct impressions that reincarnation exists at all; only the personal interpretations of observed data might indicate that a soul returns to physical creation, though in some cases agencies ritually scam a soul into occupying another body, such as evidently happened to Al Bielek.

Max Long’s comparitively objective accounts of magical processes also contain no direct evidence of the existence of reincarnation, unless I’ve missed something. Let me know, please, since you referred to him that way.

My wife personally believes in reincarnation but she’s got enough personal integrity to admit to me that she’s seen no direct evidence of it. Since we are not an organization or personality cult it really makes no difference what any of us personally believe. This is quite an achievement and I’m proud of us all. Je in Spain sincerely believes that orgone is electrons, for instance, and that psychism has no real value but his gifting reports are just as important and appreciated as any one else’s here. Nobody can authoritatively say, at this point, that orgone is not electons, by the way. I’m happy to leave it to others to make that determination.

A reason I often invoke Danion Brinkley’s accounts is that he’s completely averse to saying that he knows whether reincarnation is real and he’s the most powerful and detached psychic I’ve ever met. You say you know that it’s real but you’re still a newcomer to me–haven’t yet established a reputation for personal integrity–so Ill keep your claim in my ‘wait and see’ file for now. It takes time and work for any of us to earn a good reputation. You’re making progress [Image Can Not Be Found]

The ‘bugaboo’ aspect of this dogma is that Theosophy has been so thoroughly propagated in the West for the past century as the default ‘spiritual’ paradigm when anyone has abandoned churchianity that the mere mention of ‘reincarnation’ triggers hormonal responses in most people’s brains. The playing field is not entirely level, quite yet, but we’re getting there.

~Don

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I’ve often wondered about the massive-scale (failing) attempt to castrate the orgonite movement by associating it with Theosophy. Progress has been slower in the West on account of that, I think, and the relatively faster spread of orgonite in East Africa might put this in perspective. Makes me wonder if it will spread even faster in China.

A fellow from India who is evidently a mover and shaker has just taken interest in gifting and intends to do it on a large scale when he returns there, soon. I think he’s got capital, too. I’ll be fascinated to see how it goes in India, relative to Africa. There have been a few cloudbusters built in India and I’ve heard from a couple of fellows who busted a few local towers and saw the benefits but I don’t think it’s actually caught on, yet, as it evidently did in Japan long before I started corresponding with Tetsuzi-san.

Dogma can really drag you down. I’ve met Hindus who were able to cut through all the crap and really see the essence of Krishna’s Creative Word, though. Not even the Bank of England’s Secret Intelligence Service, who eventually spewed Theosophy at the West could destroy that
~Don

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To people who are programmed by Theosophy, ‘evidence’ is a bugaboo. This is because rationality is the enemy of parasitism. There’s abundant evidence of the human spirit’s conscious progress beyond physical existence, of course, and this evidence is priceless and gives us all hope, or potentially gives it to us.

The etheric technology described by Max Long seems mostly related to human spirit and consciousness. I think the Kahunas respect the unfathomable nature of the soul and it’s incorruptibility. People who dwell on the concept of reincarnation ignore spirit and consciousness, rather ,and seem to use the word, ‘soul’ entirely out of context, as though it’s a lump or a liquid that can be contained in a physical vessel. Constant repetition of any irrational dogma is a form of hypnotism. Long’s books seem to be entirely clear of dogma, at least to me. The other scam implicit in the use of dogma is the assumption that naming something implies knowledge of that thing or concept. This is another good reason that people who use dogma don’t want you to be rational.

Theosophy was vigorously promoted by Blavatsky and Bailey as ‘irrationalism,’ but this is just an aspect of the old ‘dialectic’ that the corporate world order spawned after discarding Napoleon, who might be characterized as a cultural enema for Europe. Analogies break down, of course, and enemas are healthy but purging one parasitic aristocracy for another parasitic aristocracy didn’t improve Europe in that case [Image Can Not Be Found]

Concurrent with Theosophy’s ‘irrationalism’ was Darwin’s and Marx’s suggested paradigm of materialism, which was presented by the very same organization as ‘rationalism.’

The white people I know who are entirely devoted to the concept of reincarnation seem to be entirely caught up in this artificial conflict, which is why I decided to aim at ‘reincarnation’ in this thread. Only white folks seem to gravitate to this staged drama, strange to tell. Sure, HIndus in India are technically white but I’m talking about Europoids, not Indians. Only a few people will ever exercise their birthright of independent examination of reality because it’s uncomfortable to step away from commonly accepted beliefs. Reincarnation absolutely has become commonly accepted since the hippie days. I think it’s a triumph for mind control specialists, though ultimately a hollow victory. Most folks who now believe in reincarnation will take that belief to their graves but I doubt it will hinder their progress after that.

I’d be surprised if anyone who reads my stuff will abandon the blind acceptance of reincarnation. A lot of folks quit smoking pot on account of my recommendations, though [Image Can Not Be Found] , but in that case I think they mainly wanted to get clear of unpleasant CIA/NSA manipulation by patching up their holey energy fields.

Here’s how the corporate world order gets people to swallow lies and it’s simple: repeat it enough times and get enough other people to repeat it and it will be accepted without question by most people as ‘the truth.’ If I’m correct, then it’s glaringly obvious why so much of the corporate world order’s material and human resources are spent on media, religious instruction and education among Europoids.

~Don

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All I know, is that when a human dies, there’s more to it than just de-animation. I was at my mother’s side when she died and I felt her spirit pass through me as she left. If felt sort of like when you get a chill down your spine, only not unpleasant. Felt like a pleasant tingle all-over my body.

Now will my Mom be back on this plane? I have no idea. I just know she went “somewhere” and that when we die there’s more than just dead meat, left.

~A