Thanks for the clarification, Kelly. In fact, a lot of what I recall is inaccurate and that’s why clarification and proper consultation is important, even when the process isn’t comfortable.
I think the main point I’m trying (unsuccessfully, so far) to get across is to distinguish between your valuable personal observations and what works in the field.
I remember that you were quite uncomforable with my CB because the plastic bucket was left on it. I usually leave the bucket on because it’s easier to move it around with the wire handle on the bucket. From a visual standpoint it’s probably fair to say that the blue hole produced by a CB with the bucket still attached is the same as the blue hole produced by a CB without the bucket attached. In Dan’s case, his reported observations indicate that his CB is doing the job, even though you say it doesn’t feel right.
Pedro offered photos of his TBs with broken test tube pieces, which you said didn’t feel good but his energy-sensitive wife felt was a little better than identical orgonite without the crystal glass. I tried to make the above point about the use of such orgonite in the field, as opposed to the interactive application of the same combo and I think Pedro misunderstood you, me or both of us and actually asked me to take him off the memberlist on account of what transpired in his thread, which rather shocked me. I sometimes don’t consider that some folks dislike this sort of discussion.
None of the psychics present their findings as authoritative and they seem to understand that, due to their earned reputation, there’s some risk that if they make casual observations they’re likely to be misunderstood. This is one reason it’s like pulling teeth to get my wife to post here.
Kelly’s earned a phenomenal reputation with his honesty, consistency, keen observational skill, energy sensitivity and hard work and I sense that his subjective impressions and subgsequent reports are likely to be taken as the Word of God by a lot of readers.
When I first started selling zappers on the internet I regularly got angry emails from electronics engineers because teh square wave generated by my simple circuit wasn’t perfect. I always mentioned to them that the circuit is obviously more than adequate, based on the results our customers were consistently getting. Lately, Karlis in Latvia developed a more efficient circuit for zappers and may have felt a little put out that I didn’t adopt it but in each case cost has been the other factor: more complex circuits would raise the price on our zappers without discernibly increasing their effectiveness. It would cost me another $30,000, too, to pay our broker to set up to produce the more expensive circuits.
I discussed the ‘interactive vs field’ orgonite question with Carol some more, today, and she leans toward Kelly’s side of the issue. I want Kelly to keep posting his observations when members post requests for advice from energy sensitives. I’m clearly more concerned about overall effect than energy sensitives are: whether a device disables a death tower or clears DOR from the atmosphere, underground and water. This is visibly confirmed, usually, so there’s no room for conjecture.
One of the things Carol and I discussed was whether the orgonite sold by the fellow Dan mentioned is suitable, at least, for busting towers, even though the people who buy the stuff are sickened by it. She feels strongly that this stuff isn’t even suitable for busting towers on account of the elementals, who are responsible for all energy exchanges. They’re kind of like Kelly–if something feels horrid they avoid it. At least, I believe that’s true and have occasionally seen the visual phenomenon that Carol says are elementals’s energy fields. I think they ARE energy fields ![Wink]()
That issue might be moot if the psychics’ impression that the orgonite sold by that fellow is specifically designed to sicken people and dissuade them from taking orgonite seriously. I guarantee that most folks can’t accidentally achieve that bizarre effect, especially if they’re not inclined to make inappropriate gem combinations. I think there’s only one other vendor who makes similarly sickening orgonite and we almost never hear about any of those folks any more, though they had dominated a couple of compromised forums, years ago.
I’m glad Dan’s issue has come up because when the wax issue starts getting discussed again, perhaps next month, we’ll at least we’ll have some momentum. I think everyone understands that no claims for new developments should be made, here, without also being reasonably substantiated.
I don’t have a clue whether anyone else feels that what I’m saying has any relevance, which has got to be delicious for our enemies and detractors, but I share Dr Reich’s attitude, at least, that the worth of something new is only uncovered by thorough research and discussion. He was quite afraid that any of his regarded findings would ever be found to be groundless and I think that’s a healthy form of fear.
So……
I’ve got a more or less ordinary CB that’s working well, as Dan’s apparently is, and I’m going to bury it in the backyard and ask Carol, Kelly, Dooney, Stevo, Jeff McKinley, and Ryan McGinty to take a good look at the before/during/after effects around the device and in the atmosphere. I feel really fortunate that all of these energy sensitives and psychics (except Jeff, who will be visiting from Florida in a couple of weeks) live not far away and that we get together regularly. I’ll report their observations in this thread, probably in January.
Meanwhile, I think it’s up to the readers to have enough discernment not to take Kelly’s candid comments out of context and broadcast an altered version.
He saved our butts, 3 1/2 years ago, after a concerted effort was made to discredit orgonite in general with some unfounded claims about a specific version of charged water (that was combined with an ineffective application of mobius coils). He did so much experimentation with the water in question, also with other forms of charged water, that readers and gifters were able to put that very clever sabotage effort into perspective and move on. If memory serves, he dismissed the extraneous addition of unpowered mobius coils out of hand.
During the time when lots of vociferous and even aggressive people in the compromised forums had blindly tagged along with the sleepless Pied Piper who was promoting the water issue and were drowning my ‘small voice’ with a cacaphony, we gifted the City of Atlanta, which was the most degraded, polluted city in the Southeast, to demonstrate that simple orgonite was, indeed, valid and lives up to our claims for it. We went $10,000 into debt to do it, during a time when the feds were severely sabotaging our business, which shows well enough how much we care about living up to our own claims ![Cool]()
and the city, inside the ring of interstate highways that delineate it’s limits, is still quite lovely and nice and is in sharp contrast to the larger suburb area, which we left mostly ungifted for a comparison.
What I’d like for people to recognize is that Kelly performs a unique function in his globe trotting, as his reports indicate. He’s so good at surgical gifting that the Sylphs made an appearance in the sky over Hiroshima, for instance, and he accomplished that with a small number of ordinary TBs, placed around Hiroshima in strategic vortices. The psychics agree that the sky over that city had been profoundly degraded due to the atomic blast and the associated human suffering.
I’d like the readers to consider that discussing the dynamics of orgonite with Kelly is sort of like discussing fiddles with Zubin Meta. He’s not going to lower his standards or vision, so it’s up to the rest of us to raise ours, perhaps.
Meanwhile, please, please, please don’t angst over whether your orgonite is ‘good enough,’ okay? If you’re not an energy sensitive but are gifting and are following basic, simple instructions (rather than trying to compete onstage with Zubin Mehta with your fiddle) you’re not a rat, so whatever you mix up will be more than sufficient, don’t worry. Focus on your efforts’ confirmations or lack of confirmations: those are ultimately more valuable than anyone else’s specific observations.
I’ve already been getting emails from experienced giftger ‘out there’ who now wonder if their orgonite is any good, based on Kelly’s comments. Can you imagine what would happen if everyone felt their efforts had to pass muster with a single energy sensitive before they could proceed? That’s the kind of herd dynamic I’ve been fighting tooth and nail against for six years. This is why I say, ‘Put your main focus on your own confirmations!’
I’m deeply sorry that we lost Pedro and I hope he’ll keep gifting and will come to recognize that even heated discussions can be beneficial as long as the focus is on factual information, which is certainly the case here. I think my long post in his thread triggered his reaction. As a ‘newbie’ he had the impression that he was getting hammered. REally, I was trying in my clumsy way to help readers put Kelly’s comments into a broader perspective.
I don’t generally invite newbies to post here and I hope it’s evident that all of the other members of EW for whom English is a second language are confident about posting, nor has anyone been personally attacked on this board for any reason, including misunderstood English usage. We Americans actually enjoy reading the idioms in reports made by these terrific gifters and blasters. Anyone with white skin in N America is essentially a foreigner, after all.
Also, we’re all peers–nobody’s ‘the’ authority and everything’s up for discussion, assuming people are aware of applications that are proven to work. I’m glad the other energy sensitives didn’t jump in with contradictory observations at this point, too, because I’d tear out my hair if EW turned into a p!$$!ng contest.
Dooney introduced the dodecahedron technique for handling predators last spring. I waited and watched for three months before trying it because I wanted to see whether the predators who get caged that way would be able to find a way to circumvent the tactic. The dodec has proven to be durable and dependable and, kind of like Chinese handcuffs, the more the sewer rats struggle, the less able they are to escape those cages.
If it weren’t for the fun that we’re all having we probably wouldn’t keep doing this and working together. As vo Joanna observed, the reason our chatblast sessions work is because the participants don’t bring our egos into it. I want the same standard to always apply to our forum discussions, even when opinions are opposed. As they say, ‘The spark of truth is often produced by the clash of differing opinions.’
Thanks for initiating this discussion, Dan, and I assume that anyone can see that the gorgeous sky in your photo is abundant evidence that your CB is doing it’s job, based on what you told us the conditions were, before.
Thanks, again, for participating, Kelly. I know this discussion will produce valuable data and I’m sure that we’ll eventually figure out why Dan’s CB gives you the slight willies. I suspect that his situation is kind of unique but that will probably be cleared up, too, thanks to your involvement, Gramps. We often get very good intel this way. Carol agrees with your assessment of the device, by the way, also agrees that the slight imbalance is heightened when the base is in the ground.
~Don
